Sir Winston was kicked out of school becuase he was pretty much considered a dunce. Same with Albert Einstien and a few others ……….Sir Winston said that he felt school was a trainging ground for dunces and implied that the education syestem took away the ability of men to think.
Is this true does the mostly memorised scripts of children in classrooms take initiative creativity and thought away ? It really does not get better in University (it doesn;t) it changes but the majority of time is still spent reading and parroting someone elses opinion (source whats your source?)
Have we mistaken training for education? Small children in grade one are curious ask questions non stop ten fifteen years later not one hand in the air to ask anything – What went wrong?
trollhair
Level 3
Listen buddy. You NEED to stay in school and learn how to spell and construct sentences. Forget what others say or do concentrate on YOU.
Grade 13 a BA in theology an MA in pschology a coach’s cert trainers lic.
owner operator of a small bussines and a few other things didn’t teach me to spell – the war for my grammar and spelling is over I’ve come to peace with it now it’s your turn
ElOsoBravo
Level 4
I disagree – he would have said it – no one would have written it down or cared but he still would have said it-my opinion based on watching old farmers reactions to the "educated".
Unfortunately, I believe the task of most undergraduate educational systems is to
1. Squash that bothersome imagination
2. Train students how to take tests
3. Teach there is a right way and a wrong way, with no room for critical thinking
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#1 by Andy on November 14, 2009 - 8:26 am
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It happens. Read "Summoned By Bells", the verse autobiography of Sir John Betjeman. Betjeman was sent down by Oxford, as it happens.
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#2 by trollhair on November 14, 2009 - 8:48 am
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Listen buddy. You NEED to stay in school and learn how to spell and construct sentences. Forget what others say or do concentrate on YOU.
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#3 by martin m on November 14, 2009 - 9:13 am
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his said didn’t come from his education .
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drop out .theachers seen me with same opion .
was not so .
#4 by AlviS** on November 14, 2009 - 9:50 am
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My mum thinks that. That’s why I’m home schooled.
Which I LOVE!! =D
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#5 by tonalc1 on November 14, 2009 - 10:29 am
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Unfortunately, I believe the task of most undergraduate educational systems is to
1. Squash that bothersome imagination
2. Train students how to take tests
3. Teach there is a right way and a wrong way, with no room for critical thinking
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#6 by h2odog on November 14, 2009 - 10:40 am
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And, if you will, a good deal of what you read is pure unadulterated BS. History is one very good example. What you read in text books is history from the viewpoint of the victors. It should be balanced equally with the viewpoints of the vanquished. Even then, because of governmental cover-ups and informational blackouts you would still be hard pressed to get a truly accurate picture of events.
The mind needs to be stimulated, and nurtured to thin. While a certain amount of "factual" information is necessary in order to be able base a reasonable question. Memorizing lists for the sake of lists, won’t do that trick.
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#7 by ElOsoBravo on November 14, 2009 - 11:26 am
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That’s a gratuitous, cute one liner made by someone whose education and station in life had already put him ahead of 99% of his countrymen. He wouldn’t have said it if he grew up as a poor dirt farmer in the North of England.
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#8 by billydavisii on November 14, 2009 - 12:05 pm
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Unfortunately, most people NEED training instead of education.
It is true that the US education system is pretty much a creation of bureaucratic assembly-line mentality that seeks to cram as many in as possible on one end and spew them out on the other with no quality control in the middle. It is geared to employing its own products and keeping them safe from all liability and any real work. BUT those who wish to take advantage of the rescources available while they’re in the system and actually aquire an education can do so. True self-motivated men like you mentioned will prevail regardless of the ineptness of those around them, so blaming others for your own failures is a cop-out. For most kids, being an insubordinate jackass is what’s getting in the way of their education. We need to bring in Malaysian Caning as a cure-all for bad attitudes and it would fix a lot of problems in today’s schools.
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#9 by bandit on November 14, 2009 - 12:39 pm
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Very, very good question.
I think our culture bows down way too much to the god of education.
Don’t get me wrong, everyone should seek to further their knowledge, but this does not always involve receiving a piece of paper at the end.
Also, where did we get the idea that it is the job of the state to educate our kids? We have wholly turned this sacred responsibility over to the government and now we are seeing the results. Anytime a kid can graduate from high school and still not be able to spell his name, we have a serious problem. Also, our education system is churning out little robots, highly trained to be effective in the job field the system has chosen for them. Carl Marx would be proud. But I digress.
I know lots of people with advanced degrees who can’t seem to be able to figure out how to tie their shoelaces. On the other hand, some of the old farmers I grew up around as a kid were well-respected by all because they seemed to be good at everything. Some of these folks had achieved only a 3rd grade education. This is not to say that all uneducated people are competent and useful, just that being educated on paper is not necessary to real success. There are those who will vehemently object (college professors, doctors, lawyers, etc). Those people are wrong. If I spend the first 30 years of my life studying to achieve some high-level degree, then the next 30 years having to work in my designated career field in order to pay off my astronomical school bills, I have kind of missed the point of life.
IMHO, life experience and the accumulation of wisdom is far more important than "head knowledge". If you have a little of both, you are truly rich, and a rare individual.
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#10 by Me-as-a-Tree on November 14, 2009 - 1:10 pm
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Good question, Trout. There is indeed a huge difference in schooling and education. You are right about the sheep herd indoctrination of children, programming them to think the same, and to diminish any qualities of analytical thinking. There is nothing done to promote the innate individualism and the talents thereof that make us all special. If students can’t learn what the school wants, and on the schedule that the schools want it, they are dismissed to the back of the class, and eventually to the back of the society. Why doesn’t a child who has a propensity for building things get the same accolades as one who has a propensity for words or numbers? Why does he or she receive less resources from the school than the "gifted" students who can recite the king’s english just like the king? It’s because the purpose of schooling is to create a group of unthinking, mindless, homogenous, consumers who will do whatever they are told, and buy whatever they are sold. All without question, since they’ve been rewarded for this type of behavior all of their lives. The kids who see through this are labeled as troublemakers and bad apples, and the ones who follow unquestioningly become the "leaders" of the future. The shepherds of the herds.
Education is not the same as schooling. Schools have no room for independent, analytical thinkers.
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